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Mary Ivan, a scotswoman, described her passing as follows:
Mrs.Greene: "Mary, how did you find yourself. What sort of conditions ........"Elisabeth Fry was a courageous Quaker, who fought for prison reforms:
"What I am trying to say is that there are no leaders as such. We have an organisation which is so subtle and yet so natural, because a person over here does not in a sense give orders. We have groups of souls who do special work. But we all realise automatically within ourselves what our part is, what work we have to do, and we realise that we are all interwoven one with another. I think that it is that we are all very conscious of this oneness of spirit. Here, no one glories in being a leader, whereas in for instance in your world in religious organisations and political organisations, you do get this sort of glorification of the individual. The first thing a person must learn, almost, you might say, if they wish to progress here, is to lose that idea of self-importance. Those who are really progressed on this side, never, never give that impression, because it is not even in their nature to appear, or want to appear, important. Everything that we talk about, everything that we do, is done in complete love and harmony one with another. No one wants to override another person. All our influence is for good and in love and therefore we don't have on this side organisation as such. We do not recognise leaders in a sense that you do."
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Here there is complete unity and harmony and love. Here there is truly brotherhood. Here there is
the wisdom of all time, expressed in all manner of ways, by all manner of peoples, irrespective of
any earthly ideas of class, or creed, or colour. Truly this is a spiritual world, but not as man has
depicted it. Indeed it is so, so different, and so tremendously alive, so vital, so far removed from
man's conception of things, that it cannot be differently described. One can only feel it and know
it and sense it - it is so vast and so beautiful.
To those who doubt I say, the time shall surely come when you shall believe. But It is better if you believe while you are yet on Earth, for then you can do much that is good, than to wait until you come here. For many are they who look back and wish that they had known truth when on Earth. How different their lives would have been, how different their actions, and how much more could they have served their fellow men, and God in consequence.
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Here death is a great leveler of people. You realize it is unimportant what you were on Earth, as
to what your station in life was. It's what you yourself were that counts. Whether you yourself
were a real person inasmuch that you had real values, and real appreciation of the things that
mattered. When we come here we face ourselves possibly for the first time and see ourselves as
we really are.
We all begin to merge until we are harmonious and in consequence we live in a condition of peace
and quietude and harmony, where all and each can have his or her interest, such as it may be. I
prefer te continue to write, because writing was, to a great extent, my life, and I am hoping to find
a suitable instrument on your side if I can, whose mind will be sufficiently open that I might be
able to transmit new plays, new works, new things of interest to help and enlighten humanity.
Justice in itself is very rarely justified, it does not necessarily solve the problem or problems of
society, quite often because the interpretation of justice is not always correct, or human, or
sensible, or spiritual, or Christian. When man sins against society, society is outraged and is
immediately on the defense, and invariably in consequence commits a crime, often as bad as the
criminals, and sometimes even worse.
You cannot hope to receive from the highest possible spheres depictions of life, which is so far
removed beyond your comprehension even of souls in the lower spheres here. It can only be felt
by the very oneness - being in tune with us. It is something you would have within your soul,
which will come with a realization and impact that is tremendous when you are ready and
prepared for it.
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Page initiated on 7 March 1997, revised 24 September 2007
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